Episode 108: Joyce McLain and the long confession

After Joyce McLain was murdered while she was out for a run in East Millinocket, Maine, in August 1980, the investigation took awhile, but it seemed seemed like cops might’ve finally had their guy when Scott Fornier confessed in May 1981. So why did it take more than 37 years to but him behind bars?

We also have brief updates on Sarah Everard and Maura Murray.

And Rebecca gives the NNW treatment to the Netflix show “Bob Ross: Happy Accidents, Bentrayal and Greed.”

Episode 107: The Cowden family massacre and more Oregon injustice

Our very special guest, sister Liz, joins us to discuss some unsolved Oregon campsite cases, including the 1974 murders of the Cowden family, as well as the 1977 attack, by pickup truck and hatchet, on two young women at Cline Falls.

She also gives the NNW treatment to the Discovery Plus documentary “Relentless.”

Rebecca also NNW’s the Liane Moriarty book “Truly Madly Guilty.”

Updates include Luc Tieman’s latest court appearances (Episode 7 and multiple updates), as well as discussion of Liz and Maureen’s trip to some New Hampshire sites of previous episodes that provided some insight to the Louise Chaput murder and Maura Murray’s disappearance.


Episode 106: Finding justice for Dawn Leighton

Dawn Leighton loved her dogs, her new house, and was kind and friendly – a loving sister, daughter and friend. Unfortunately she was also another Maine victim of a senseless murder by a man who thought he was entitled to her.

We also do an update on Illinois’ new law that prohibits cops from lying to people under the age of 18 during an interrogation.

And Maureen NNWs the heck out of a couple of Audible true crime podcasts.

Episode 105: No justice for Laura Lee Howard

Laura Howard had gone through a messy divorce in her home state of Massachusetts, and thought Florida would be a great place to make a new start. Once in Fort Myers, she became known for her big heart, kindness and generosity. But people will always take advantage, won’t they? On May 3, 2013, police found her dead in her bathtub, and her lodger, Simon Storm, was nowhere to be found. Eight years later, police are still looking for Simon, who’s actually Robert Kuehn, a Florida “chamelon con man” with a history of preying on women.

And, in our NNW rating, Rebecca discusses Tana French’s novel “In the Woods,” audio book version.

Episode 104: What You’re Doing on Our Summer Vacation

We’re taking a break for a few weeks, but we want to make sure you have something to entertain you while we’re not around, so we have recommendations for our current top podcasts, TV shows and books. And we also give the NNW treatment to the Netflix doc Sophie. Enjoy!

Episode 103: Frank Sandford, bound for heaven, prison or hell?

Frank Sandford was just another baseball-playing kid from a big rural Maine family until the spirit hit him when he was 16. Before Jonestown, before Scientology, Sandford’s self-styled religion gained followers across the globe, as well as at his massive compound in Durham, Maine. Many ultimately followed him right to their graves.

Rebecca also updates the honey-bee murder, Maureen has some rants and she also gives the NNW treatment to the Netflix miniseries “Harlan Coben’s The Stranger.”

Episode 102: Gerald Goodale hot case, cold case part 1

When Gerald Goodale was convicted of killing Geraldine Finn in 1989 in Waterville, Maine, there was something else hanging over his head. Finally, in 2021, it came back to bite him.

Also, we give the HBO series “Mare of Easttown” the NNW treatment!

Episode 101: Sherry York, twice a victim

The brutal attack by a stranger that Sherry York suffered one night in  a Portland, Maine, parking lot was compounded by the narrative that followed: her attacker was a family man and firefighter, the story went. She was a sex worker and drug user. But what was the real story?

Rebecca also updates the Angel Torres disappearance.

Episode 99: Inventing the imperfect murder

Every murderer makes mistakes, and it only takes a couple to mess the whole thing up. Inventor Todd Howley thought he was pretty smart, but he made more than a couple when he killed Paul Maasland, a nice guy whose biggest mistake was trusting Howley with his money.

Also, a special dual NNW rating of the Netlfix docuseries “This is a Robbery.”


Episode 98: The stupid senseless death of Charlie Howard

When a friend asked Charlie Howard why he didn’t protect himself from harassment by acting “a little less gay,” he said told the friend he wasn’t going to be a participant in his own oppression. A few days later, three teenage boys threw Howard, 23, to his death off a Bangor, Maine, bridge. The 1984 killing of a man, just because he was gay, still resonates today.

Also, a Maine mini on the death of Rhonda Pattelena, a domestic violence attack that happened in front of dozens of witnesses on York Beach, Maine; updates on Ghislaine Maxwell, and, wait for it… the never-going-away Episode 29, Wicked Bad Chemistry.

Episode 97: Sarah Everard and reclaiming the night

Sarah Everard was walking home from a friend’s house in south London on the night of March 3. She never got there. What happened next reopened wounds festering in the UK, and around the world, since the Yorkshire Ripper case more than 40 years before. And it once again raises the question, when is male violence against women going to become a men problem instead of a women problem?

Also, Maureen talks about the latest Acadia National Park fatal hiking trip and Rebecca gives an update on Maine wife-killer Noah Gaston, as well as an NNW rating to the HBO docuseries “Murder in Middle Beach”

Episode 96: Just who WAS Shaun Harrison?

For years, Shaun Harrison, a minister and youth counselor was the go-to guy for the Boston press when they needed quotes on gang violence, youth with guns and more. That is, until, he was arrested for shooting a teenager.

Maureen also does an NNW rating for the Netflix doc “Made you Look.”

Episode 95 Justice for Johnetta Carr a long time coming

Johnetta Carr was 16 and going places, but the Louisville, Kentucky, police department had other plans for her. Looking to hang a murder charge on someone, they picked her and her friends, and through a series of false statements, doctored reports, intimidation and more, they “made their case.” Now, 15 years and a wrongful conviction later, she’s beginning to find some justice.

UPDATES: Maureen updates the Alaska murder charges against Steven Downs (Episode 67), and Rebecca updates the rape charges against Ivan Keith (Episode 92).

REVIEWS: Rebecca also gives an NNW rating to the Netflix series “Crime Scene: The Vanishing at the Cecil Hotel,” and we revisit “The Lady and the Dale.”

Episode 94: Who shot Sonny Grotton?

When Sonny Grotton returned to his Belfast, Maine, home on a cold Friday night in December after working all week in Rhode Island, someone shot him dead in his dooryard. His crime would go unsolved for 17 years, until someone spoke. Three were arrested, only one was found guilty.

Rebecca and Maureen also discuss the falacious origins of “Stockholm Syndrome,” the podcasts “Dead Eyes” and “Bed of Lies,” and Maureen gives an NNW rating to the HBO docuseries “The Lady and the Dale.”


Episode 93: The unfortunate wives of Dennis Larson

Kathy Frost was lonely and looking for someone to share her life with when she answered the classified ad from a man looking for a longterm relationship. Things happened fast, but it turns out the relationship wasn’t that long-term after all…

And she wasn’t the first wife of Dennis Larson to meet an “accidental death.”

Also, Rebecca NNW rates the podcast Bed of Lies; and the sisters talk about the HBO doc Baby God.

Lots of fun to be had!

Episode 92: You can run to Maine, but you can’t hide

Two totally different men in different decades think they can escape Massachusetts rape charges by taking off for Maine. Maybe it takes one decade, or maybe it takes three, but they’re gonna get ya.

Also, Maureen NNW rates the podcast “Dead Eyes.”

Episode 91: The Murder of Jodi Parrack Part 2

After seven years DNA from a man who tried to assault a 10-year-old girl matches that found on Jodi Parrack. And it’s not Ray McCann’s, who police have been after for seven years. So that’s the end of it, right? Wrong. Pard 2 of this troubling story.

Also, an update on Episode 77 that looks at the police raid on Anjanette Young, and our millionth update to Episode 29, the Boston drug lab scandal.

To top it off, a due NNW rating of Netflix’s four-part series “The Ripper.”


Episode 90: The Murder of Jodi Parrack Part 1

Police said only a monster could have killed 11-year-old Jodi Parrack, and they were going to find him. In a relentless investigation that spanned seven years, they kept telling the public the tips were piling up, the DNA would reveal the killer, new technology was going to make happen. But when they made an arrest, it wasn’t because of tips, DNA or new technology, but a very very old method…

Also, Rebecca gives an NNW rating to the audio version of “Dear Child.”

Episode 89: Paul Dwyer and the Paris, Maine, murders

Paul Dwyer, of Paris, Maine, was 18 when he was found asleep in a car with Maine plates that didn’t belong to him, in Arlington, N.J., on an October day in 1937. Dwyer wasn’t alone in the car — there were also the murdered bodies of Dr. James Littlefield and his wife, Lydia. What followed was a twisted tale that took decades to resolve.

Maureen also does her NNW rating on the HBO Max documentary “The Mystery of DB Cooper.”

Happy fourth anniversary of this show! We appreciate all the listeners who’ve stuck with us for this long, as well as the new ones who’ve found us along the way.

Episode 88: Sex, lies and the topless coffee shop Part 2

The sordid tale of sex, lies, arson, toplessness and more in central Maine continues with the trial.

We also update Maura Murray (Episode 8) and the NNW rating is a duo stab at the doc “An American Murder: The Family Next Door.”

Episode 87: Sex, lies and the topless coffee shop Part 1

When a topless coffee shop — yup, exactly what it sounds like — opened in Vassalboro, Maine, in February 2009, it caused international titters. But four months later, when it burned down, things got serious.

We also update Martha Moxley (Episode 17), Breonna Taylor (Episode 77), Ghislaine Maxwell (Episode 78), and, of course, the Massachusetts Drug Lab Scandal (Episode 29).

Rebecca also rates the documentary “Class Action Park.”

Episode 86: No justice for Helen Jewett

Helen Jewett was smart, attractive, savvy and ambitious. Unfortunately, it was the 1830s and, born Dorcas Doyon and raised as an orphan servant girl in Augusta, Maine, she didn’t have a lot of options. And the lack of options all came crashing down when she was murdered in her bed in New York City in 1836. While it happened nearly two centuries ago, as the story plays out, it could’ve easily been yesterday.

We also have the latest on the Breonna Taylor case, including what the grand jury heard.

And Maureen goes off the NNW charts on a documentary that… just didn’t live up to her standards.

Episode 85: Kathleen McLean, the surgeon and diagnosis murder

We’ve wicked had it with people looking at some accomplished white guy and saying “a guy like that wouldn’t kill his wife (or family).” No, this isn’t about Jeffrey MacDonald, though Mo does give an impassioned defense of Joe McGinnis and “Fatal Vision,” and then, yes, we look at another case where a guy “who couldn’t have done something like that,” roared right through a lot of red flags, and another beautiful and loving woman is dead.

We have another quick Breonna Taylor update (Episode 77), and we also update the Aela Mansmann “school bullying” case (Episode 71).

In our NNW ratings, Rebecca takes on “I’ll Be Gone in the Dark,” the documentary (though she hasn’t finished watching it…)

Episode 84: Bianca Devins wasn’t murdered by the internet

It’s easy to blame the internet for teenager Bianca Devins’ murder in Utica, N.Y. in 2019. After all, like most kids her age, she was all over it — on social media, on gaming sites. Meeting people, many of them predatory. But what it really comes down to is good old-fashioned toxic masculinity, misogyny and people around her and her killer not seeing the huge red flags hitting them in the face.

We also update Episode 77 with the Breonna Taylor settlement, and Mo takes on the documentary “Outcry” in our NNW ratings.